55HP heroes - Guild Wars Forums

h9dlb · Nov 06, 2007, 06:42 PM // 18:42

I have prophecies but never really played it, concentrating most of my time on Nightfall and most recently GWEN. I've been reading about 55HP classes - do I really need to get the grim cresta from the prophesies game and how best do I do this with my Nightfall toon given that I've not really explored the prophesies lands ? Any alternative tips to make an invinci monk or necro hero ?

Jetdoc · Nov 06, 2007, 06:46 PM // 18:46

You need to buy the Grim Cesta from someone, as it isn't obtainable if you start off in Nightfall.

You don't NEED the Grim Cesta (i.e. look up the 105HP monk), but it makes life a lot easier...

LeoX · Nov 06, 2007, 06:53 PM // 18:53

Lol yeah, it's simple to buy it off somebody. It's a few platinums nowadays, like 4-5k. Just shout for "-50hp cesta".

Cimoa · Nov 06, 2007, 06:57 PM // 18:57

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Originally Posted by h9dlb

Any alternative tips to make an invinci monk or necro hero ?

55 or 105hp hero?

Chik N Nuggets · Nov 06, 2007, 07:30 PM // 19:30

i dont think it could work well on a hero.. lol

MagmaRed · Nov 06, 2007, 08:14 PM // 20:14

Horrible idea for a hero. Horrible.

iridescentfyre · Nov 06, 2007, 08:16 PM // 20:16

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed

Horrible idea for a hero. Horrible.

It is. First of all, anything you put on their bar, they'll cast on allies just as likely as they'll cast it on themselves. Your 55 monk will use Protective Spirit on the Warrior or something, then die in one hit from an AOE blast. The AI does not and will not ever have a farming mentality.

Secondly, 55/105/130/etc builds are meant as solo farming builds. Most of them don't even work unless everything is attacking them constantly. On top of that, they contribute nearly nothing to the group. They have absolutely no place whatsoever in any kind of group setting.

manitoba1073 · Nov 07, 2007, 04:46 AM // 04:46

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Originally Posted by iridescentfyre

It is. First of all, anything you put on their bar, they'll cast on allies just as likely as they'll cast it on themselves. Your 55 monk will use Protective Spirit on the Warrior or something, then die in one hit from an AOE blast. The AI does not and will not ever have a farming mentality.

Secondly, 55/105/130/etc builds are meant as solo farming builds. Most of them don't even work unless everything is attacking them constantly. On top of that, they contribute nearly nothing to the group. They have absolutely no place whatsoever in any kind of group setting.

Actually a 55 build can and does have very good places in groups. You just need to figure out where and how they work.

Now for heros, not in your life. They suck at it they wont even keep enchants on themselves without being forced to.

gremlin · Nov 07, 2007, 05:26 AM // 05:26

You say you have prophesies but never really played it, how much did you play ?
Since the mission to get the -50 hp item comes really early in the game I wonder if you are able to get it yourself.

Its been a while but I think the mission comes from the scribe in post searing ascalon.

wetsparks · Nov 07, 2007, 05:27 AM // 05:27

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

Actually a 55 build can and does have very good places in groups. You just need to figure out where and how they work.

Now for heros, not in your life. They suck at it they wont even keep enchants on themselves without being forced to.

I would be really interested in hearing about when a 55 would be good to have in a group.

JeniM · Nov 07, 2007, 05:36 AM // 05:36

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Originally Posted by wetsparks

I would be really interested in hearing about when a 55 would be good to have in a group.

Some areas can be done using an invinci char and hero support for extra smiting and such, the 55 takes all the hits and the others speed things up

iridescentfyre · Nov 07, 2007, 06:02 AM // 06:02

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

Actually a 55 build can and does have very good places in groups. You just need to figure out where and how they work.

Why bother making that assertion without giving at least one solid example?

manitoba1073 · Nov 07, 2007, 07:08 AM // 07:08

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Originally Posted by iridescentfyre

Why bother making that assertion without giving at least one solid example?

ok here you go

and this

If you want more just ask

Holly Herro · Nov 07, 2007, 07:16 AM // 07:16

Gates of kryta mission.

Kill all the undead very easily.

L33TNeMiSiS · Nov 07, 2007, 07:18 AM // 07:18

Actually when you take part in the Bosun tournament in GWEN you fight mhenlo that runs a 55hp build. Needless to say ppl beat him(including my self :P) so i'm sure the heroes can use it. It will take some manual intervention though to put all the 'Energy drains' on him. And then you must disable those skills by shift+clicking on the skill it self. So he doesn't disable it when not in a fight. Could be interesting. unfortunately I'm currently on course and will not get round to testing it up and until Saturday. But maybe someone should try and see what happens.

Guns Up! · Nov 07, 2007, 08:00 AM // 08:00

This might be a little off topic but where do you get the -55hp cesta in Proph?

Roo Ella · Nov 07, 2007, 08:45 AM // 08:45

Cities of Ascalon quest reward.

MagmaRed · Nov 07, 2007, 02:14 PM // 14:14

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Originally Posted by L33TNeMiSiS

Actually when you take part in the Bosun tournament in GWEN you fight mhenlo that runs a 55hp build. Needless to say ppl beat him(including my self :P) so i'm sure the heroes can use it. It will take some manual intervention though to put all the 'Energy drains' on him. And then you must disable those skills by shift+clicking on the skill it self. So he doesn't disable it when not in a fight. Could be interesting. unfortunately I'm currently on course and will not get round to testing it up and until Saturday. But maybe someone should try and see what happens.

No, Mhenlo does not run a 55 build. Play the Norn tourney again, and see how many times Mhenlo uses Protective Spirit. You won't see it cast one time. Mhenlo uses a staff, not a wand/sword/axe and focus. This means he does not have the Grim Cesta and -50 health. Mhenlo, I believe, runs a 105 build using:

[skill]Protective Bond[/skill]

I only KNOW he uses:

[skill]Balthazar's Spirit[/skill][skill]Healing Breeze[/skill][skill]Shield of Judgment[/skill]

Be nice if someone who has seen his full skill use can post it, as I can't find a listing of the full set he uses.

ender6 · Nov 07, 2007, 02:39 PM // 14:39

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/The_N...ment#Opponents

As you will notice it claims Menhlo is running a 55 monk build. It does not however reveal that prot spirit is one of the skiills that he is using. However, his skill list appears to be somewhat incomplete. It does however appear to fill in some of the skills you are missing. I believe you should edit the wiki page to include Protective Bond. I myself have not fought Menhlo in the tournment so I really can't contribute.

Of course if he is using Protective Bond, he could be 105, he could also be a 55.

Back to the topic of Heros running 55 builds...in a word: unpractical.

natural sugar · Nov 07, 2007, 04:58 PM // 16:58

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Originally Posted by iridescentfyre

Why bother making that assertion without giving at least one solid example?

People also 55 during certain missions (running Ruins of Morah, for example). Just because its not viable for most situations doesn't mean its completely useless outside of farming.

Nov 06, 2007, 06:42 PM // 18:42	#1
h9dlb Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Leeds England Profession: W/	55HP heroes I have prophecies but never really played it, concentrating most of my time on Nightfall and most recently GWEN. I've been reading about 55HP classes - do I really need to get the grim cresta from the prophesies game and how best do I do this with my Nightfall toon given that I've not really explored the prophesies lands ? Any alternative tips to make an invinci monk or necro hero ?

Nov 06, 2007, 06:46 PM // 18:46	#2
Jetdoc Hell's Protector Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: The Eyes of Texas [BEVO] Profession: D/A	You need to buy the Grim Cesta from someone, as it isn't obtainable if you start off in Nightfall. You don't NEED the Grim Cesta (i.e. look up the 105HP monk), but it makes life a lot easier...

Nov 06, 2007, 06:53 PM // 18:53	#3
LeoX Krytan Explorer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: United Kingdom Guild: Guildless Since 2005??? Profession: W/	Lol yeah, it's simple to buy it off somebody. It's a few platinums nowadays, like 4-5k. Just shout for "-50hp cesta".

Nov 06, 2007, 07:30 PM // 19:30	#5
Chik N Nuggets Krytan Explorer Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: calgary, alberta, canada Guild: The Crimson Knighthood [CRIM] Profession: W/	i dont think it could work well on a hero.. lol

Nov 06, 2007, 08:14 PM // 20:14	#6
MagmaRed Furnace Stoker Join Date: Mar 2007 Guild: Our Crabs Know True [LOVE] Profession: R/	Horrible idea for a hero. Horrible.

Nov 07, 2007, 05:26 AM // 05:26	#9
gremlin Furnace Stoker Join Date: Oct 2006 Guild: GWAR Profession: Me/Mo	You say you have prophesies but never really played it, how much did you play ? Since the mission to get the -50 hp item comes really early in the game I wonder if you are able to get it yourself. Its been a while but I think the mission comes from the scribe in post searing ascalon.

Nov 07, 2007, 07:16 AM // 07:16	#14
Holly Herro Jungle Guide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Kangaroo-land. Guild: Blades of the Dingo [AUST]	Gates of kryta mission. Kill all the undead very easily.

Nov 07, 2007, 07:18 AM // 07:18	#15
L33TNeMiSiS Academy Page Join Date: Sep 2007 Guild: Graveyard of Undying Heroes Profession: E/	Actually when you take part in the Bosun tournament in GWEN you fight mhenlo that runs a 55hp build. Needless to say ppl beat him(including my self :P) so i'm sure the heroes can use it. It will take some manual intervention though to put all the 'Energy drains' on him. And then you must disable those skills by shift+clicking on the skill it self. So he doesn't disable it when not in a fight. Could be interesting. unfortunately I'm currently on course and will not get round to testing it up and until Saturday. But maybe someone should try and see what happens.

Nov 07, 2007, 08:00 AM // 08:00	#16
Guns Up! Academy Page Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Michigan Profession: Rt/	This might be a little off topic but where do you get the -55hp cesta in Proph?

Nov 07, 2007, 08:45 AM // 08:45	#17
Roo Ella Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Australia Guild: Oz Profession: E/R	Cities of Ascalon quest reward.

Nov 07, 2007, 02:39 PM // 14:39	#19
ender6 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Feb 2006 Profession: Mo/	http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/The_N...ment#Opponents As you will notice it claims Menhlo is running a 55 monk build. It does not however reveal that prot spirit is one of the skiills that he is using. However, his skill list appears to be somewhat incomplete. It does however appear to fill in some of the skills you are missing. I believe you should edit the wiki page to include Protective Bond. I myself have not fought Menhlo in the tournment so I really can't contribute. Of course if he is using Protective Bond, he could be 105, he could also be a 55. Back to the topic of Heros running 55 builds...in a word: unpractical.